Walther Ppk Serial Number With Suffix

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AKSpraya XDTalk 2K Member. The serial numbe on the frame (grip area) is the same 6 numbers and has an S or a 5 stamped at the end of the numbers but looks like it is not contiguous with the serial.perhaps done after mfg? The other side of the slide has the Carl Walther Stamp and then Waffenfabrik and it looks like Um / Da (sorry.

Ser# 285,xxx on a Walther PPK (ZellaMellis) should have a 'K' suffix to the number on the frame. The matching ser# marked on the right side of the slide was generally with-out the suffix. Serial numbering for the PP pistol started at #75,000 (1929) PPK production started shortly after that (maybe late 31 or '32) and used the same serial number. Walther Model PPK pistol with 'W' behind the serial number instead of the usual 'K'. On page 68 of WALTHER MODELS PP AND PPK, 1929-1945, James Rankin discusses the 'W' suffix pistols and notes there is no indication what the 'W' indicates. Aside from the 'W' suffix, the pistol finish and markings are identical to 'K' suffix Mod. The pistol has the standard Walther legend on the. Description Walther Model PPK pistol with 'W' behind the serial number instead of the usual 'K'. On page 68 of WALTHER MODELS PP AND PPK, 1929-1945, James Rankin discusses the 'W'. My Grandfather gave my Father tonight a Walther PPK serial number 217167. There is no suffix to the serial number. What I am reading is the serial numbers started in the 750000.

Just spent an interesting hour talking with a nice old WWII USAAF vet who flew P-47s in Italy and then France after D-day. He brought back a number of war souvenirs, one of which was a Walther PPK. I don't have a photo, but it's in about 95% condition, high polish blue, with brown Walther banner plastic stocks. The only magazine has a finger rest, also brown plastic. The slide reflects Zella Mehlis manufacture.

It has a small proof on the left side of the slide - not having a magnifying glass, I could not make it out clearly, but I recall no number under the eagle, so it's not a waffenamt. I think this is a commercial gun. The serial number is 285930, no suffix. We've got a lot of knowledgeable folks on the board - can anyone tell me the year of manufacture?

I'm estimating 1940, but I cannot glean much info of the internet. I understand Hoffschmidt's Know your Walther PPK book has a serial number chart, but I don't happen to have one. Can anyone help me help this member of the greatest generation? Thanks, John (Added 10/21/14) See pictures on post #4! Ser# 285,xxx on a Walther PPK (ZellaMellis) should have a 'K' suffix to the number on the frame. The matching ser# marked on the right side of the slide was generally with-out the suffix.

Serial numbering for the PP pistol started at #75,000 (1929) PPK production started shortly after that (maybe late 31 or '32) and used the same serial number range as the PP model. When ser#'s reached 1,000,000 for each Model,the numbers were started over again at the 100,000,plus the addition of a 'P' suffix on the PP and a 'K' suffix on the PPK. (A few thousand run of PPk's were ser#'d with so called 7 digit numbers (million series),no suffix letter. There's always an exception isn't there. I don't have a ser# chart handy,it's some where in the stack.

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But I'd agree that with the ser# (assuming it does or SHOULD have the 'K' suffix,1940 or 41 would be a good guess. The high polish blue and fine fit and overall finish was still in order at that time. It wasn't long after that shortcuts started to show but they were gradual at first.

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Commercial proofs would be in order. At about that time the German Gov't proof mark was being changed to the Eagle/N for nitro proof. 4/1/40 was the date that the old German Crown/N nitroproof mark was elliminated and replaced with the Eagle/N.

That can help date the pistol to either side of that date. But realize that changes didn't happen overnight, on time or in any perfect order. Another mark to look for if not a German Military issue weapon (no WaffenAmpt),would be possible German Police Issue. A tiny Eagle/L or Eagle/C marking is all there was. Sometimes on the frame on the left side right under the mag release,or in that area. May also be on the slide, on the right side usually. Any of the proof, Military issue or (Nazi) Police markings would be marked/stamped thru the original finish,not before it was blued.

Check the magazine to see if it is perhaps #'d to the pistol. On the finger extension, the serial number was often pantograph engraved into that extension. Sometimes stamped into the mag body on either side or even the spine of the mag. Not a lot of hard and fast rules however! I'll see if I can find that list. (I've got that book, but I don't recall a ser# chart in it,unless it was an addendum page and I lost it.

I'll check it anyway) Added. I found a listing of ser#'s from the old Walther board. I think it's been published in a book so I won't post it. It says PPK mfg in 1940 as betw ser#'s 262,xxx and 307,2xx (all with a suffix K) Any production year/ser# lists for the PPk and PP are based on old records outside of Factory production records, those no longer exist AFAIK. In other words they are an educated guess, but in most cases fairly accurate. Hope this helps. Today I got to re-visit the old WWII vet, and he graciously allowed me to photograph his Walther PPK, which I now estimate as having been made in early July, 1940.

The serial number does indeed have the 'K' suffix, which I missed in my early examination under dim light. It also shows commercial 'Eagle over N' proof marks.

There was no serial number anywhere on the magazine. Here are some pics: And here's a picture of the old gent himself, posing with a model of a P-47 complete with his old squadron colors, and his PPK. It was an honor and a privilege to talk with him; the WWII combat vets have been my heroes since childhood. Hope you enjoy the pictures.

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Make: Walther

Model: PPK Commercial

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Serial Number: 1002268

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Year of Manufacture: ca 1937 (According to “Walther”, Vol. II pg. 125, by James Rankin, 7000-10000 Walther PPK’s were made with 7 digit serial numbers prior to the K suffix serial numbers being used, which started in 1938.)

Caliber: .32 A.C.P. (7.65mm Browning)

Action Type: Single or Double Action Semi-Auto with 7 Round Removable Magazine

Markings: The left side of the slide is marked with the Walther “Banner” logo, “Waffenfabrik Walther, Zella-Mehlis (Thur) / Walther’s Patent Cal. 7,65m/m” and “MOD. PPK”. The right side of the slide below the port opening and the barrel at the port opening are marked with a “Crowned N” commercial nitro proof as used prior to 1940. The right side of the frame behind the trigger is marked “1002268”. The right side of the barrel at the muzzle is marked with a “Crown / N” proof. The inside of the slide opposite the port is scratched with “268”.

Barrel Length: 3 5/16”

Sights / Optics: The front sight is a low profile blade fixed to the slide. The rear sight is a “U” groove in a raised boss at the top rear of the slide. The top of the slide has a full length rib, which is serrated to reduce glare.

Stock Configuration & Condition: The grip is a one piece brown checkered plastic with streaks of black that encloses the backstrap. There is a Walther Banner Logo at the top of the grip on each side. There appears to be a short hairline crack at the upper edge of the grip screw on both sides of the grip. The smooth edges of the grip show several light handling marks with two dings in the bottom rear corner on the left side. The checkering shows light wear without mars The grips rate in about Fine condition.

Type of Finish: The finish is blued.

Finish Originality: All Original

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Bore Condition: The bore is bright and the rifling is sharp. There is no erosion.in the bore, but there is a tiny tool mark in one of the lands near the muzzle.

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Overall Condition: This handgun retains about 87% of its metal finish. There is surface loss at the front of the slide and thinning on the remaining edges of the slide and those of the frame. There are spots of pinprick surface erosion visible in the areas of surface loss at the front of the slide. There are also several light handling marks in the sides of the slide and the trigger guard. The hammer and safety serrations show light wear and the slide serrations and magazine release checkering are sharp. The grips screw is sharp and the markings are clear. Overall, this handgun rates in about Fine condition.

Mechanics: The action functions correctly. This pistol has a slide mounted de-cocker that blocks the hammer. The double action trigger pull is a little stiff and the single action pull is light and crisp. This pistol was not designed with a magazine disconnect, but the slide does lock back on an empty chamber. We did not fire this handgun.

Box, Paperwork & Accessories: This pistol comes with a total of one 7 round blued factory magazine. The magazine is marked with a Walther banner logo and “PPK 7,65 m/m” on the lower left side and has a flat blued floorplate. The magazine shows minimal with two tiny marks in the floorplate. The magazine is in about Excellent condition.

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Our Assessment: PPK stood for “Polizei Pistole Kriminal modell” (Police Pistol Detective Model) and was used by the German police detectives (street cops carried the larger PP chambered in .380 A.C.P.). The PPK Model was also very popular in the civilian market. Adolf Hitler committed suicide with a PPK and a PPK was used by the fictional spy James Bond after “M” made him trade-in skeletonized Beretta. The pre-war pistols are considered more collectible than any other period except for those made during the war, and the quality and workmanship on these pistols is outstanding. This Walther Model PPK was made in about 1937. The standard German marking at the time for PP and PPK models was for the use of a six-digit serial number, followed by a letter suffix as necessary. When the PP pistol sequence reached 999,999, Walther switched to a P suffix. But, in the PPK series the six digit numbers transitioned into 7 digit numbers for a short while before the K suffix was adopted. James Rankin, in his book “Walther”, Vol. II, indicates 7000-10,000 were manufactured with 7 digit numbers. This pistol is in Fine condition with about 87% of its original finish remaining. It shows surface loss and pinprick surface erosion at the front of the slide, with thinning on the edges of the slide and frame. There are light handling marks on the sides of the slide and on the trigger guard. The grips are checkered brown plastic with traces of black running through them. The checkering shows light wear without mars. There is a short hairline crack on both sides of the grip at the upper edge of the grip screw, several light handling marks in the left side of the grip and a two dings at the bottom rear left corner. The bore is bright with sharp rifling and a tiny tool mark in one of the lands near the muzzle. This pistol has a de-cocker that blocks the hammer. This is a very collectible pistol, nice looking and correctly marked. This is sure to end up in a collection of high-end pre-war automatics. There were a lot of 6 digit and K suffixed PPK’s made prior to and during WWII, but very few 7 digit serial number guns in comparison.